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If you had told us just four days ago that the Biden administration was funding undercover bio labs in Ukraine of all places, we would non have believed you. Yeah, I don't think we're going to put that on Boob tube. No thanks.

Then, if you lot told united states of america that not only did the assistants fund these secret bio labs in Ukraine, but that they then failed to secure the deadly contents of those labs earlier the Russian invasion—an invasion they knew was coming, an invasion they helped encourage—if yous had told u.s.a. that iv days ago, we would have dismissed yous equally a nut. It was just too preposterous. Nosotros will not want anything to do with a story like that. At that place was no way it could be true. Information technology was too far out. In any instance, we already knew for a fact that that story was faux. How do nosotros know that? Because we read United states of america Today, America's newspaper.

Inside hours of the Russian invasion, Us Today published a rebuttal to all those crazies who were yammering on about secret Ukrainian bio labs. Here was the headline: "Fact check: False merits of U.s.a. biolabs in Ukraine tied to Russian disinformation entrada."

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The U.S. Department of State is seen on January 6, 2020 in Washington, DC. 

The U.Due south. Department of State is seen on January 6, 2020 in Washington, DC. (Mark Wilson/Getty Images)

And so, if you wait carefully at the story—and we did considering we were interested—you lot notice that this fact check was sourced to Ukrainian government unnamed officials and then Biden State Department officials. These were not exactly objective sources on this subject area, but still the story seemed definitive. It was totally emphatic. "Russia has teamed up with Red china to further amplify the fake claim of U.Due south. labs in Ukraine."

OK. USA Today says information technology's Russian disinformation. Maybe it is. On to the side by side story, but the fact checks didn't terminate. That was weird. We kept seeing the aforementioned check again and over again. It was almost like despite endless official clarification, some people refused to believe the Biden administration. They preferred Russian propaganda instead and we presume they must be QAnon members. Nosotros presume that considering Foreign Policy Magazine told usa that. According to Foreign Policy, QAnon, any that is, was frantically disseminating "false claims of U.S. bio warfare labs in Ukraine."

Those labs obviously didn't exist. It was all just another lie from the Russians who prevarication for a living. Then the European Wedlock... weighed in, throwing its credibility backside the same claim. These are conspiracy theories, the EU told u.s.a., they're lies spread by Putin. An EU spokesmen and so reminded the states that, "the credibility of information provided by the Kremlin is in general, very doubtful and low." That was proficient to know.

"Russian disinformation has a track record of promoting manipulative narratives well-nigh biological weapons and alleged secret labs."

Yeah. We're not going to do a segment about secret labs in Ukraine. Last thing we want to do on this show is traffic in Russian disinformation spread by QAnon, so nosotros took a pass on that story. And that's where things stood until yesterday when we happened to melody in to a hearing of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Toria Nuland was testifying so we were interested. Nuland was one of the people who brought us the Republic of iraq War, never apologized for that and kept getting promoted considering that'due south how DC works. Toria Nuland is now Joe Biden's Nether Secretarial assistant of State in charge of Ukraine and she knows a lot about Ukraine.

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Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland testifies before a Senate Foreign Relation Committee hearing on Ukraine on March 08, 2022 in Washington, DC.

Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland testifies before a Senate Strange Relation Committee hearing on Ukraine on March 08, 2022 in Washington, DC. (Kevin Dietsch/Getty Images)

In 2014, Toria Nuland engineered a coup in Ukraine in the proper noun of democracy, of course. So, she is a highly informed source near Ukraine. So, she was having this colloquy with Senator Marco Rubio of Florida during her testimony, and at one point, Rubio took a tack that nosotros were not expecting at all. He asked Nuland if Ukraine had biological weapons.

We never imagined Ukraine would have biological weapons. Why would Ukraine have bioweapons? So, it seemed like a pretty strange question, but information technology wasn't half as shocking as the answer he got. Here's what Toria Nuland said.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO: Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?

VICTORIA NULAND: Ukraine has a biological inquiry facilities, which, In fact, we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces, may be seeking to gain control of. Then, we are working with the Ukrainians on how they can forbid any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach.

Does Ukraine accept biological weapons? Ugh, Ukraine has biological inquiry facilities. What? You hateful hush-hush bio labs like the secret bio labs that Ukraine definitely doesn't take? Ukraine has those? Yeah, it does. And not just does Ukraine have surreptitious bio labs, Toria Nuland said, whatever they're doing in those labs is and so unsafe and and then scary that she is, "quite concerned" that the so-called research textile inside those bio labs might fall into the easily of Russian forces.

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Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland testifies before a Senate Foreign Relation Committee hearing on Ukraine on March 08, 2022 in Washington, DC. 

Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland testifies before a Senate Foreign Relation Committee hearing on Ukraine on March 08, 2022 in Washington, DC. (Kevin Dietsch/Getty Images)

Try not to use profanity on the air to describe our reaction. Our jaws dropped, let'southward leave it there. Under oath in an open commission hearing, Toria Nuland just confirmed that the Russian disinformation they've been telling us for days is a lie and a conspiracy theory and crazy and immoral to believe is, in fact, totally and completely true.

Woah, y'all don't hear things like that every day in Washington. Talk about a showstopper and a dozen questions instantly leap to mind. What exactly are they doing in these secret Ukrainian bio labs? Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe. Information technology's hardly a hotbed of biomedical research. We're bold these weren't pharmaceutical labs, probably not developing new Leukemia drugs. From your answer, Toria Nuland, nosotros would assume because you all just said it, that in that location's a armed services awarding to this research, that they were working on bioweapons. Again, your answer suggests that.

Why would we fund something like that in Ukraine, and why didn't you lot secure the contents of these bio labs before the Russians arrived as yous knew they would? And and so why did yous go out of your mode to lie to the American public about all of this? If the "inquiry materials" in these labs were to escape somehow and you seem very concerned about that, what would be the event on Ukraine and then on the rest of the world? How tin can we prepare for the consequences of that, this thing that yous're worried about? Shouldn't we be preparing? Because as it turns out, we've just spent the last two years living with the pathogen that began in some other foreign bio lab funded by the United States government secretly.

And so, this question is on our heed. Information technology seems off-white. Now that'south some of what we would have asked if we were U.S. Senators, which were not. Yes, there's a fourth dimension limit. Time limit be damned because this is kind of important, simply Rubio did not enquire those questions. Instead, he inverse the bailiwick and told us once again that Vladimir Putin is bad.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO: If at that place is a biological or chemical weapon incident or... attack inside of Ukraine, is at that place any doubtfulness in your mind that 100%, it would exist the Russians that would exist backside it?

VICTORIA NULAND:  In that location is no dubiety in my mind, senator, and information technology is classic Russian technique to arraign on the other guy what they're planning to practice themselves.

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Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., speaks during the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) at The Rosen Shingle Creek on Feb. 25, 2022, in Orlando, Florida. 

Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., speaks during the Conservative Political Action Briefing (CPAC) at The Rosen Shingle Creek on February. 25, 2022, in Orlando, Florida. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)

OK, only get a pen. Information technology'due south a classic Russian technique to blame on the other guy, what they are planning to practice themselves. That'due south what Toria Nuland said. We well-nigh laughed out loud. So, what yous're saying, Toria Nuland, if, for example, you were funding secret bio labs in Ukraine, simply wanted to hide that fact from the people who are paying for it, in whose proper noun you were doing it, so you might lie almost information technology by claiming the Russians were lying about it. In other words, you might mount a disinformation campaign by claiming the other guy was mounting a disinformation entrada. Is that what you're maxim, Toria Nuland? It's pretty funny.

What'due south not funny is that this is all entirely real. We invited Marco Rubio on the bear witness tonight to tell us what he knows about these bio labs. He declined to come. That invitation remains open. In the concurrently, let'south review what little we do know nearly this. We're going to start with a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry building on Lord's day. Now, nosotros would never do this. We never played anything like this on the show before because of course, we're Americans and when we want to know what's going on we enquire our own officials, the people nosotros elect and whose salaries we pay, considering it'due south our state.

Nosotros don't go to foreign sources considering nosotros trust our own sources first. Simply when information technology turns out the people who represent u.s.a. and run our government are lying to u.s.a. and never apologize for it and doing horrific things in our names, then you take to open up your mind a lilliputian bit and at to the lowest degree assess what other people are saying. So, here was the Russian claim.

IGOR KONASHENKOV: During the course of the special military machine operation, facts were uncovered of the primal regime, mopping upwards traces of armed services biological program nether development in Ukraine, financed by the U.S. Defence Ministry.

OK. So, that manifestly—nosotros hadn't seen that until this afternoon we started poking effectually—that may take been the root of the conspiracy theories that the fact checks told us were Russian disinformation. Let'southward quote it: "Military biological programs are under development in Ukraine, financed by the U.S. Defense Ministry." That'southward the Russian claim.

Separately, a Russian Strange Ministry building spokesman said the Ukrainians were working on deadly pathogens, including plague and anthrax. Is that true? At present, manifestly, nosotros would not have Russia's word for that ever, just nosotros don't have to have Russia's discussion for that. The U.S. Defense Department has a website that contains this media prune about the opening of a biological research facility in Ukraine in 2010.

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Chief of the Media Service and Information Directorate of the Russian Defence Ministry, Maj Gen Igor Konashenkov, gives a press briefing on the situation in the Idlib buffer zone in Syria. 

Chief of the Media Service and Data Directorate of the Russian Defence force Ministry building, Maj Gen Igor Konashenkov, gives a press briefing on the situation in the Idlib buffer zone in Syria. (Vadim SavitskyTASS via Getty Images)

"U.South. Senator Dick Lugar applauded the opening of the Interim Central Reference Laboratory in Odessa, Ukraine, this week, announcing that it will be instrumental in researching dangerous pathogens used by bioterrorists. The level-iii bio-rubber lab will exist used to study anthrax, tularemia and Q Fever, likewise as other unsafe pathogens."

Oh, OK. Then the National Pulse dug up 2011 report from the U.Due south. National Academy of Sciences that also explained that the Odessa based laboratory "is responsible for the identification of especially dangerous biological pathogens." So, what nosotros're doing—this is non the first fourth dimension you've heard this story—we are funding the cosmos of deadly pathogens so we can study them and forestall people from getting infected with them. Peradventure? There are lots of examples of this. The U.S. Diplomatic mission in Ukraine has a handy web page explaining that American and Ukrainian scientists have worked on a whole bunch of dissimilar experiments like this.

Some of the projects include work on African swine fever virus, hemorrhagic fever virus, and various respiratory viruses. The interesting thing, the telling thing, is that the U.S. Embassy'due south website likewise contains links to fact sheets about America's back up for biological inquiry in Ukraine, just all those links are now expressionless. That's weird. It's our government. Nosotros pay for information technology. Once more, they're in that location in our name, in the proper name of American citizens, simply we tin no longer read their spider web page. How does that work, exactly? They take no right to lie to us.

The web page is archived, thankfully, and the fact sheets show Defence Department funding to laboratories in Ukraine. And so that looks similar proof. It's not Russian disinformation. It'due south totally real. Sorry USA Today, America'south paper, information technology's existent. You tin look it upwardly on the internet if you lot want. In the face of that bear witness, the Pentagon is still lying about and in fact, they're repeating the aforementioned unbelievably stupid and now thoroughly discredited lies the fact checkers have told for weeks now. Here'southward the spokesman for the Pentagon, John Kirby, today.

JOHN KIRBY:  The Russian accusations are absurd. They're laughable and, you know, in the words of my Irish Catholic granddad, a bunch of malarkey. There's nada to it. It'southward classic Russian propaganda and I wouldn't, if I were y'all,...I wouldn't requite it a drop of ink worth...paying attention to.

REPORTER: Aye, but can you explain to united states of america what...has there been whatever relationship betwixt the...?

JOHN KIRBY:  We are not, not, developing biological or chemical weapons inside Ukraine. It'south not happening.

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If I were yous, I wouldn't devote a drop of ink to it. First of all, y'all didn't go to make that decision, Mr. Bureaucrat. We have a free press in this country. Y'all don't go to make up one's mind, just yous'll detect at the end of that, Kirby refuses to respond the question. Has there been any relationship between the U.Southward. Pentagon and a bioweapons facility in Ukraine and if so, what is that relationship? That'due south Russian disinformation! What'south the answer? We're non developing WMD in Ukraine correct now! OK, got information technology, only why are we funding this and what exactly are we funding?

Nosotros reached out to the State Department separately and they provided us with this very carefully worded statement: "The U.Southward. Department of Defense does not own or operate biological laboratories in Ukraine." Non that anyone said they did. Continuing the quote, "Undersecretary Nuland was referring to Ukrainian diagnostic and biodefense laboratories during her testimony, which are not biological weapons facilities." What'southward the difference exactly? Standing the quote, "These institutions counter biological threats throughout the land."

So that means nothing. You could describe our nuclear stockpile correctly as defensive. Our nuclear weapons are not designed to preemptively kill anybody. They're designed to preclude other people from killing u.s.a., just they're still nuclear weapons. And so, when yous stop lying and telling united states of america what'south going on here and why don't you lot more than specifically tell u.s.a. why you lot didn't secure these materials? So, yes, we're funding cloak-and-dagger bio labs in Ukraine, but they are diagnostic and biodefense laboratories that counter biological threats.

OK, if these are purely defensive labs, why was Toria Nuland so concerned that Russians would get ahold of the materials from these facilities? Other world powers have come to the obvious conclusion. Once more, we hate to do this, but under these circumstances, we asked our own spokespeople, they lied. We're going to the Foreign Ministry building of Cathay, a country nosotros despise. Here's what they said today. They're calling on weapons inspectors to take a await at these facilities in Ukraine correct away.

ZHAO LIJIAN: Over the past two decades, the United states of america has been blocking the establishment of a verification government to the Biological Weapons Convention and refused to accept the inspection of biological facilities inside and outside its borders. The move has further aggravated the concern of the international community. We, one time again, urge the U.S. to provide total description of its bio militarization activities within and outside its borders and have multilateral verification.

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Oh, they're putting Russian and Chinese propaganda on the screen! Yeah, nosotros did. We also put U.S. government propaganda on the screen and the difference is we expect to be lied to by foreign governments. Nosotros're not globalists. We believe in ane land. It's this state, the United states of america. We do not await to be lied to by our government and nosotros won't accept it. But let'southward get to the substance of what the Chinese government merely said. We never agree with the Chinese government on anything, but in this case, they brand a off-white point. We now know that dangerous biological agents, whether you lot call them weapons or not is completely irrelevant because they can be used as weapons. Is a gun a weapon? Non when y'all're quail hunting. When you're in a gunfight, information technology is. Information technology's a ridiculous semantic argue.

Dangerous biological agents remain, thanks to the Biden administration, unsecured in a chaotic state of war zone. At some point we need to know how that happened, who made those decisions. We have a right to know and allow'south hope someone in Congress, probably not Marco Rubio, but someone else, will go to the bottom of it, but in the concurrently, nosotros pray that somewhere, in the United states of america government, at that place equally an adult who cares plenty to get this situation under command immediately.

This commodity is adjusted from Tucker Carlson'due south opening commentary on the March ix, 2022 edition of "Tucker Carlson Tonight."